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Uncle Sam's Debt by CrimsonMagpie Uncle Sam's Debt by CrimsonMagpie
Another image for the third issue of Thunk, which you can see here [link] ! :meow:

This is a comment upon the USA's financial situation within the world economy, especially with their arch-rivals / bosom-buddies China. Uncle Sam is fun to draw, and this isn't the last time I'll be depicting him. In all seriousness he's an awesome character to work on. ;)

Thanks to *tintits for showing me how to digitally fix the colours of his hat, because I bollocksed them up.... :paranoid:




Watercolour and pen on paper
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:iconthisischaos9000:
thisisCHAOS9000 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2014
yep that how it is
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:iconeutytoalba:
EuTytoAlba Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2014
I've never drawn Uncle Sam myself, but I love his character design and am really tempted to try. itcheh 
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
I found his face the most interesting part to draw; there's so many different things one can do with Drawing human representations of different countries would be an ace opportunity to practice charactarisation. :p
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DukkaDukkaDukka Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2013
What some certain people don't understand is the fact that China doesn't really gain anything from giving endless loans to America. If they aren't paid back, which they aren't, then they lose that money. Someday China will up and refuse to give the U.S. government more loans.

Imagine if you were the CEO of the world's largest bank. You are approached by the CEO of a large corporation to give them a loan to keep capital going, due to continual financial losses every quarter. This particular corporation has not paid off any of the debts it amassed in the last century, and its CEO and every one of his predecessors has explicitly expressed the intention of never paying off any future loans. Would you give these guys the loan?
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
So sad that our economy is in such bad shape that we're losing to the Reds. DX
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:iconcrimsonmagpie:
CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Their economy is tied closely to the success of the Western economy though; if the USA fails China fails too. =p
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:iconjoeisbadass:
joeisbadass Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
True.
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:iconliunianyue:
liunianyue Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
uncle sam is a fat ass
he loves gun
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:iconflippedoutkyrii:
flippedoutkyrii Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
He's in luck, Chinese pistols have to tendency to be held together with glue and tinfoil ^^
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:iconcrimsonmagpie:
CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Really? I thought they used the more traditional welding and screws? :B
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:iconflippedoutkyrii:
flippedoutkyrii Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Nah, not really, although it does seem that way.

Older model Chinese weapons were mass produced and left to rust in warehouses, currently, there are roughly 7 million SKS rifles sitting in hundreds of thousands of wooden crates that haven't been touched in decades. Many of which are NOT in good condition. I wouldn't be surprised if that gun to poor sams head would misfire and inflict more damage to the shooter XD
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner May 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I loathe that the U.S. has outsourced so many manufacturing jobs to China, a criminal regime that abuses its people (along with those of Tibet and Taiwan) at every chance it gets. The best thing people can do is boycott Chinese made products, but that is technically impossible. The computer I’m using, like 90% or so of all electronic devices, is made in China. Although I work for a company whose products are all American made, China is the obviously the largest manufacturer (sorry for stating the obvious).

But China owns a very small portion (about 8 percent) of US debt. The Social Security Trust Fund is the biggest holder of U.S. debt.

And if you read these articles, China isn’t this country that will eclipse the U.S. in a manner similar to this political cartoon.

The mainstream media sources usually overlook what’s going on within China’s borders. [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link]
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
It's a bitch, but I do believe China's position of economic dominance is quite precarious, and it's due for a devastating fall if the rest of the world goes tits-up. The recent Taiwanese floods didn't do their electronic manufacturing sector any favours either. :P
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R55 Featured By Owner May 12, 2012
As one all agree, that you'll not married be
To such as will use Beijing factory,
But at first sight refuse, tell 'em such you will choose
As encourage our own manufactory.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner May 14, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
:giggle:
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:iconr55:
R55 Featured By Owner May 14, 2012
That wasn't a joke.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner May 15, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Sorry, I didn't know how to reply; I've never gotten a poem as a comment before. =p
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RomaniaTricolor Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2012
...and then he's gonna pay the bullet also!
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:iconcrimsonmagpie:
CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Hahaa, that's more than likely! :lol:
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:iconthe-build:
The-Build Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Very nice work, I bet this caused a stir, did you get any comments back about it?
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:iconcrimsonmagpie:
CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Not so much of a stir really... I didn't get specific feedback, but they published it, so that indicates they liked it. :la:
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:iconthe-build:
The-Build Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh definitely, although I think this one would have caused less controversy than the others.
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gzegzolka Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012
There is some right in this picture. Few years before USA enter two wars in Iraq/Afghanistan I would not believe in this, but after it looks like USA got debt not only in those "red" countries but also Mexico and some Europe countries.
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:iconcrimsonmagpie:
CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Yea, it's pretty astounding how much debt they're in, and to whom, but I guess that's what being part of a global economy is all about. =p
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YiorYeosa Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Yeah the guy has got some serious bad luck lately, trampled by the elephant and kicked by the donkey.
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:iconcrimsonmagpie:
CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Damn rouge elephants. :no:
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:iconyioryeosa:
YiorYeosa Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I know of a pink elephant but a rouge one? :sherlock:
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:iconcrimsonmagpie:
CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Damn French elephants, usurping 'murkin ones! :shakefist:
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3wyl Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Interesting...

I think this says a lot, even though there aren't many words there. The way you have inscribed 'Debt' into the gun is pretty powerful, and I like how we are focused on it because it is in the centre of it all.

The face shows some good age which contrasts well with the spiffy hat and clothes, and yeah, it's not too bad all in all, though I think you're missing a star. :O_o:

How long did it take you to do this?
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:iconcrimsonmagpie:
CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Yea, I'm not too fond of cartoons that need a lot of words in them to explain their message successfully; I strive for a more succinct visual message. I'm glad it shows! :meow:

I'm not surprised I'm missing a star, since I might not have used reference for Sam's costume. :paranoid: I did it in a day or so, so I probably didn't spend more than a handful of hours on it. I don't count...
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3wyl Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I guess that sort of defeats the purpose. :O

I think some people do it well, but then... yeah, the ones that have a lot of impact are the ones with few words, I guess. :O_o:

Ah, I see. :lol:

That's fair enough. :D

I'm just always curious how long it takes someone. I know that different people do things at different speeds, but it is still quite interesting, what with the whole process of it all and such. :nod:
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
I wouldn't say it defeats the purpose, but it's certainly easier for the message to cross cultures when there're no language issues. ;p

I always feel I take far too long on artwork, especially my realistic paintings, which is partly why these cartoons are fun. But I still think they take me too long. I'm envious of people who can knock out great works in a couple of hours. :lol:
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3wyl Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That would be pretty cool. :O

No language barrier! :dummy:

Hmm... have you worked on that, though? Your speed and all? I've read a few things that artists could do to speed up, but yeah. :hmm:
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
I've not really worked on speed, no... I'm more concerned with skill at the moment, and I'm simply not yet at the level where I can produce really good work in little time. I heard a quote once that says all artists start out quick but not very good, then they get good but slow, and finally after a lot of practice they get good and fast. Something like that. =p
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3wyl Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, that's fair enough. :nod:

Perhaps that is true. :D
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Corvalian Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2012
:yawn:

While it's true we're in massive amounts of debt, and a large portion of it is owed to China, China's economy is still very dependent on ours and they'd basically be shooting themselves too if they tried to cash in on it right now.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Indeed, that's why I described China as the US's arch enemy/bosom buddy. It's a strange relationship. :p
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:iconcorvalian:
Corvalian Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012
Yes well, if you ask me, it's nice to see communism and democracy getting along despite their differences.
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:iconcrimsonmagpie:
CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Well, I'd call China's operating system more Capitalist Communism... but yes, it is nice. :p
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Corvalian Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2012
True, seeing as how communism in its purist form doesn't actually work.
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
That's human nature for you... spoiling political theories. :no:
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ComradeAussie Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012
We do tend to do that don't we.. all political/economic theory's sound awesome until you factor in human nature
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Human nature is an annoying wildcard. :stare:
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Ultimaodin Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2012  Student Artist
Didn't Bush throw your economy into a lovely place. Thankfully Australia scraped through the world economic crises courtesy of Kevin Rudd. Still can't believe he got kicked from Parliment and we got left with a ranga wench who does nothing but ask to have people explain things to her. >_>

Anyway, Beautiful depiction of the iconic Uncle Sam and again I love this style! ^_^
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CrimsonMagpie Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Hahaa, not mine thankfully; I'm English! =p But yea, Europe ain't exactly doing well at the moment, except for Norway, who seem to be barely noticing the economic crisis...

Thanks! c:
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Colintheporcupine Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2012
obama's not doing a much better job, giving out all this money to anyone who asks even though we're still in debt.methinks both of them screwed up hard.
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Ultimaodin Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2012  Student Artist
Nah, from an outside perspective Obama is doing a fantastic job of keeping the economy alive. He's mainly struggling because he's attempting to fix what Bush left for him. I can understand the hate though because everyone disliked Kevin Rudd for spending all our surplus to get us out of the economic crises. Obama however didn't have the same surplus to use, he was in a worse predicament had no choice but to put the economy further into debt in order to avoid hyper inflation. He couldn't avoid inflation completely but at least it didn't enter into the perilous spiral it could have. Looking at it from an Economic and politic science perspective you'd be surprised how much work Obama is putting into that country. Now if only Australia could have Kevin Rudd back. =(

As for giving money to everyone else, come to Australia and you'll realise just how much money we give away to unemployed and such. We have a lot of American students over here for Uni due to Centerlink's benefits over what ever the American version is called again.
Also don't buy into a lot of the internet's articles on Obama's spending, the amount of dollars increases but take into consideration the pecentage increase of inflation and compare it to Bush's spending in 09 and you'll realise he's not even spending that much more even though it's a necessity to do so.
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Colintheporcupine Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012
it shouldnt matter what happened in the past, this is now, and right now, giving grants to those who dont need them isnt a very smart idea when we are already struggling to keep up. Yes, Bush mucked up and threw us in the water, but Obama's pushing us under. It wouldnt matter if he was trying to counter a hyper inflation, because at this rate, he's just stalling the inevitable.
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Ultimaodin Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Student Artist
Of course it matters if he is countering hyper inflation, I do not believe you realise how sever Hyper Inflation can be. Money has to be spent to stabilise the economy, grants are necessary to produce jobs and education, both necessary to decrease unemployment and rebuild the work force that America suffers from very severely. Also what happens in the past always has an impact on the future. Like the 2009 spending compared to now. If you look at the inflation and added that to the 2009 spending by Bush Obama hasn't actually spent any more in comparison to rate, only the number of dollars has altered which, when factored in with inflation and such as mentioned, should be expected.
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ZeroElements Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:iconcoolstorybroplz: Nice break down. Always nice to hear from someone who's got the rationality behind them.
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